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Hi Azor. The Jonima family were a feudal family that shifted vassalage to different states depending on the political circumstances of the time, and at times functioned as independent feudal states. At the time of the Battle of Kosovo, Dhimitër Jonima is referred to as a count/prince/feudal lord but not as a vassal to any certain state by the sources we are currently using.[1][2][3] Dhimitër was lord of a territory between Mat and Lezhë.[4] The last time the Jonima family were mentioned as vassals of any state seems to be many decades prior, when Vladislav Jonima is mentioned in 1306 with the title of župan while in service of Stephen Uroš II Milutin of Serbia.[5] By 1319, however, Vladislav was acknowledged by the Pope as a ruler of a territory around Lezhë with the title of Count of Dioclea and of the seaside Albania.[6]
After the Battle of Kosovo, Dhimitër Jonima suffered another defeat at the hands of the Ottomans around 1393 before becoming their vassal at some point during this time[7] and would swap to accepting Venetian suzerainty as the vassal of other Albanian lords.[8][9][10][11] I suppose that none of that is important, however, as we are talking about the Jonima at the time of the Battle of Kosova. By all means, Jonima is referred to by sources as a feudal lord/prince/count of his own feudal state at that point in time, not in vassalage to the Serbs or anyone else. Although, even as vassals, the Jonima family served as a vassal state according to the sources used above. Thanks. Botushali (talk) 02:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your analysis. However, Vladislav Jonima passed away many decades before the event in question, so please stick to the topic.Dhimitër was lord of a territory between Mat and Lezhë (..) Jonima is referred to by sources as a feudal lord/prince/count of his own feudal state at that point in time; could you provide a quote for this claim? It appears to contradict the existence of the Albanian principalities Dukagjini and Thopia during this historical event. For reference, please see the attached picture that illustrates this time period, showing that the regions Mat and Lezhë were part of these two principalities, and not Jonima. Azor (talk). 12:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My whole point of mentioning Vladislav was to highlight the last time the Jonima were mentioned in any way as vassals of a Serbian ruler.
I can’t speak for that map as I didn’t make it. By all means, all the sources used above, many of which have quotes (just press on the reference), do not mention Jonima in vassalage to any state or ruler and simply refer to him as a feudal lord. I could always be wrong of course, but why would someone’s vassal join a battle independent of the liege that they’re vassals of?
The sources don’t seem to mention Jonima as a vassal of Dukagjini at the time of this battle, so as far as I’m aware, they’re an independent feudal state. Botushali (talk) 13:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And what name does scholars use when refering to this "independent feudal state" you claim Jonima ruled during this event? Azor (talk). 14:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if you use your basic comprehension skills and take a look at the sources above, he’s variously referred to as count, prince, feudal lord etc.
^Veremes, Thanos; Kophos, Euangelos (1998). Kosovo: avoiding another Balkan war. Athens: Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign policy. p. 418. ISBN9789607061409. ... is a historical fact that they were on the Serbian side against the Ottoman Empire in that cataclysmic battle of 1389 ( under Albanian counts Balsha and Jonima)
^Iseni, Bashkim (2008). La question nationale en Europe du sud-est: genèse, émergence et développement de l'identité nationale albanaise au Kosovo et en Macédoine. Bern: Peter Lang. p. 84. ISBN978-3039113200. L'historiographie albanaise quant à elle met davantage l'accent sur la présence albanaise dans ce qui était une grande coalition de principautés chrétienne contre les Ottomans. Selon elle, sur les sept chefs de guerre de cette coalition, deux étaient albanais, Gjergj Balsha II et Dhimiter Jonima. Auraient aussi participé à cette bataille d'autres féodaux albanais, notamment Gjon Muzaka et Teodor Muzaka II. La participation albanaise aurait atteint un quart de la totalité des troupes de la coalition.
^Petritsch, Wolfgang; Kaser, Karl; Pichler, Robert (1999). Kosovo - Kosova: Mythen, Daten, Fakten (2. Aufl ed.). Klagenfurt: Wieser. pp. 32–33. ISBN9783851293043. ... geantwortet haben und sich mit einer Armee von 6.000 Mann nach Kosova aufgemacht haben soll. An der Schlacht auf dem Amselfeld nahmen auch andere mäch- tige albanische Fürsten teil : Demeter Jonima , dessen Reich sich über die..
^Anamali, Skënder; Prifti (2002) (in Albanian). Historia e popullit shqiptar në katër vëllime. Botimet Toena. ISBN99927-1-622-3 p. 267
^Blagojević, Miloš (2001). Državna uprava u srpskim srednjovekovnim zemljama (in Serbian). Belgrade: Službeni list SRJ. p. 210. Retrieved 8 July 2012. Када је краљ Милутин издао повељу манастиру Богородице Ратачке, међу присутнима је било и црквених и световних достојанственика. Од световних лица помињу се: казнац Мирослав, челник Бранко и жупан Владислав (Јонима)
^The Late Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Late Twelfth Century to the Ottoman Conquest Author John Van Antwerp Fine Edition reprint, illustrated Publisher University of Michigan Press, 1994 ISBN0-472-08260-4, ISBN978-0-472-08260-5 p. 419
^The Late Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Late Twelfth Century to the Ottoman Conquest Author John Van Antwerp Fine Edition reprint, illustrated Publisher University of Michigan Press, 1994 ISBN0-472-08260-4, ISBN978-0-472-08260-5 p. 510