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- Cincinnati nightclub shooting (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Bar fight gone wrong turned shootout. No analytical coverage, just trial proceedings, which there is no more of past 2018. Not premeditated or really anything else to say or reflect upon. Fails WP:NEVENT. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Vincent Moscaritolo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NBIO, effectively zero reliable and secondary sources. Brandon (talk) 04:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Nosral Recordings (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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NCORP fail Potential merge target Rottweiler Records too appears to be NCORP fail. Graywalls (talk) 23:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete same issues as with Rottweiler Records, the sources all check out, I’ll accept the source as a reliable one, but there isn’t enough extended coverage of the company itself to pass NCORP
- Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. At worst, a merge to Rottweiler, which ought to be kept too, so ultimately this is a moot conversation, but it looks like this sublabel has enough of a roster and press coverage to pass muster on its own. I'm agnostic as to whether these label articles continue on as one or two separate articles, so long as the content is preserved. Chubbles (talk) 06:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Which three sources do you believe would satisfy NCORP for this article @Chubbles: ? Graywalls (talk) 22:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Yves Brodeur (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. This one fails WP:BIO for lack of third party coverage. LibStar (talk) 23:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep he is a notable diplomat and meets WP:GNG and or WP:BASIC. He has served as NATO spokesperson and there are some coverage about him, though some are press releases or news conference transcript, they are reliable because they are issued by either national governments or international organisations. I found these sources [1][2][3][4][5]. I think more reliable sources are out there waiting to be picked up and if a deep search is conducted they would be found. Piscili (talk) 02:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. I also found this. I think on the whole he could be considered notable based on the breadth, if not depth, of coverage. While not current consensus, I am of the opinion that a diplomat who served in three countries or international organizations ought to be considered notable. Bearian (talk) 01:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- comment It’s frustrating. There are literally hundreds of articles out there where he is mentioned in passing, his position, his history, etc. They are all in reliable, independent publications, however, there is then either an interview, or it’s mostly a report of what he says in relation to another topic. I don’t think I’ve come across another case where the person themselves is obviously important, and is constantly being asked their opinion on important matters / doing important things politically, without there being a specific article written with them as the topic. Like Bearian I think he should definitely be considered notable, multiple ambassadorships over thirty years SHOULD trump say a one term state senator in terms of notability, but while minor state level politicians are automatically considered notable, career ambassadors are not? Seems backwards. Especially given just how much coverage of what he himself says there is. Ideally I’d like to see the article kept, but can’t hang my argument on any specific WP policy.
- Absurdum4242 (talk) 15:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Hundreds of these articles have been deleted. LibStar (talk) 23:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- VASP Flight 780 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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While tragic, there is no indication that this airplane crash meets WP:GNG or WP:NEVENT; if there was significant, long-lasting coverage, I can't find any sources to prove it. And I have no reason to believe there is likely to be long-lasting coverage: three deaths, crashed into the forest, and the crash was caused by pilot error.
Current three sources/links, used here and on the deWiki article, are unusable for notability/unusable.[6] is a user-generated wiki, [7] is a government report on the crash (they're required to make these for every single incident), [8] is a YouTube video of a cockpit recording. My WP:BEFORE revealed two YouTube videos:[9] [10], both unusable.
I have no prejudice against selectively merging/redirecting, should a suitable target be found. Given the limited ramifications of the initial crash, even if the topic can be shown notable a stand-alone page would likely not be warranted GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep: it received reasonable coverage in Portuguese-language sources, as per pt:Voo VASP Cargo 780#Referências (note: there was no interlanguage link before). fgnievinski (talk) 03:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the link! I'll have a look through them. The ptWiki does appear to be of better quality than the enWiki and deWiki articles.
- Then there's four 1992 news reports, all dated to within a day of the accident. The ptWiki links are broken, but the headlines appear to be the fairly routine "a plane crash happened, people died" type story that, while useful, was something I knew was likely to exist and doesn't change my arguments about WP:NEVENT, lasting coverage, WP:GNG, and WP:PAGEDECIDE.
- The information about a social media user visiting the plane crash is new to me, however. For reference, here are the links:
- Both of these article, to me, mostly seem to focus on the influencer's trip to the site of the planecrash. They each spare a paragraph or two to sum up the crash itself, but it's mostly spent discussing the influencer. I'm also not an expert in Brazilian newspapers, especially very local ones, but I'm having a hard time finding information about either news source. juruaonline.com.br does not have an "about me" type page- all attempts to get one redirect you to their "advertise with us"/"submit a story" type pages. juruaemtempo.com.br does actually give you some information about its reporters, but none of them were apparently willing to attach their name to this piece. So far, they are still the only examples of any WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE we have for this crash. And while these two sources are not enough to prove notability to me (I really don't think this article says anything that isn't already covered in List of accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 737#1990s), they might be enough for somebody else to decide this is notable. So, thank you again for finding them @Fgnievinski! GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I also did a quick search for sources and can't find any online newspaper articles about the event. [17] fgnievinski (talk) 03:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom – Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: The event does not have in-depth, significant nor sustained continued coverage. Additionally, no lasting effects nor long-term impacts on a significant region have been demonstrated as a result of the accident. Criterion #4 of the event criteria states that routine kinds of news events including most accidents – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance, which this accident lacks. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 09:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to VASP#Accidents and incidents per WP:ATD-R. S5A-0043Talk 10:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Aquae Jewels (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Likely to fail WP:NCORP. Sourced to promo pieces/advertorials. KH-1 (talk) 02:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete : The sources are advertisements and not reliable. --Gabriel (……?) 08:38, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete : The coverage is certainly not by any reliable sources and even if they were reliable it may still be too shallow. 49ersBelongInSanFrancisco (talk) 05:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Naoto Ueno (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not seem to meet WP:N WP:NBIO. No third-party sources indicating notability. Also severe WP:COI editing, including some that is clearly by the subject of the article. ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 02:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Subject lacks significant coverage to meet WP:BIOTesleemah (talk) 07:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sam Tinnesz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable musician. A few billboard chart listings doesn't satisfy WP:GNG. ZimZalaBim talk 02:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Shibu Chacko (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Chacko's claim to notability is that he was one of the 399 people who received a MBE in 2019, the lowest grade of all five Order of the British Empire awards that were given to a total of 1,073 people in the same year. He received some coverage for that by some newspapers in 2019, but the coverage was not WP:SUSTAINED.
Clearly, this is not the type of award that makes someone notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article, and I doubt that all other 1,072 mostly ordinary British citizens (list) who received the same general-purpose award or better in the same year are also notable. Badbluebus (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak delete. Little sign of SNGs. As far as GNG, there is some press coverage, all around the MBE. While some of it goes into a bit of detail, I think this still falls under WP:BLP1E. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 09:32, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I note that the article originator has been blocked for sock puppetry. Enough other editors have worked on the article that I think it's a little unlikely that it qualifies for G5 speedy deletion. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 09:28, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete with a little regret. Subject has clearly done good work encouraging people to sign up as organ donors, but the only coverage which profiles him is triggered by the award of an MBE, mainly in local, trade and community press/media, which routinely mines the awards for anyone in their locality/trade/community. We don't have independent coverage before or since, which we normally see for notable persons ("notable" in the Wikipedia sense). The MBE itself can't confer notability automatically; as noted above, it's the lowest state honour in the UK, and it is also the commonest, with 9,518 awards from December 2014 to June 2024 (total of "All - Including Unknown" for MBEs in downloadable spreadsheet). Personally, I thank Shibu Chacko for their achievement and hope this will later seem merely the start of a long and fruitful career. NebY (talk) 18:36, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Standing for Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, MBE is the third highest ranking Order of the British Empire level (excluding a knighthood/damehood), behind CBE and then OBE. Not the lowest state of Honour in the UK as claimed in this section. See reference below
- https://www.thegazette.co.uk/awards-and-accreditation/content/103372 Shinomol (talk) 16:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's the third highest out of three. The lowest. As shown on the Gazette page you linked. Your assertion that
Not the lowest state of Honour in the UK
(sic) is contrary to the very source you just provided. All this is doing is reinforcing the point that this person does not as yet meet Wikipedia's notability requirements. You have convinced me that there'll be no point in my spending more time on this. NebY (talk) 16:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)- I would suggest you do your research first before making false claims. BEM is the lowest rank, not MBE . Sorry this is my last message to your malicious attempts to take this page down. I am not willing to waste my valuable time by engaging with these kinds of individuals at all; I have got patients to look after. Defending this page is not my priority. Best wishes for all your continued efforts. (Malicious obviously) Shinomol (talk) 19:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's the third highest out of three. The lowest. As shown on the Gazette page you linked. Your assertion that
- Keep: After analyzing the entry and reading all the references, I agree that he passes GNG. More than enough news coverage suggested above and at the article, I'm convinced the person is notable and worth keeping on Wikipedia. I assess as probably reliable, covering multiple events / aspects of this WP:BLP. Keep, monitor for neutrality and overdetail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.200.34 (talk) 08:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC) — 119.155.200.34 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep: The process for nominating someone to receive an MBE is a very complex process and can take upto 2 years. The government and the various departments will go through rigorous checking during this process. All nominees will be checked by various government departments to make sure they’re suitable for an honour. I can see Chacko has gone through this process and received the honour. He is the first South Indian in UK to receive this honor, and he is the first Indian to work as a Donor Ambassador in the UK as well. The course he created is already completed by over 9000 individuals from all over the world. So I certainly recommend keeping this page live in view of the special achievements Chacko has gained. He is true inspiration to all the South Indians in the UK in terms of professional growth in Nursing, Research, Career Guidance and inservice education. Best wishes Mr Chacko Shinomol (talk) 14:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC) — Shinomol (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Nominating someone for an MBE is not a very complex process at all - start here. One of our sources says he "will become the youngest Malayalee ever to receive an MBE (Most Excellent Order of the British Empire) from the Queen",[18] which is a long way from being
the first South Indian in UK to receive this honor
. "Donor ambassador" is a term recently invented for health workers who encourage other people to sign up as donors; it doesn't have any particular distinction. NebY (talk) 15:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)- Certainly agree with you; any one can make a nomination. But one certainly need to understand the process after receiving the nomination. Its a through process by the UK government, not all tom dick and harry will get through the process. You can refer to the process followed by the UK government here. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-the-honours-system-works
- I can certainly feel your attitude towards a healthcare worker in your last sentence. Being a healthcare worker, I can certainly understand the value of such titles such as donor ambassadors, because they really make a real difference to several peoples lives. One should be in their shoes to understand the value of the work healthcare workers do especially in organ donation and transplantation as they work with real life scenarios everyday - life and death on a daily basis. It may not have any particular value, importance or distinction for lay people who doesnt have any medical knowledge or understand what is going on behind scenes. Shinomol (talk) 15:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Further re
the first South Indian in UK to receive this honor
: we have, for example, articles on M. V. Narasimha Rao and S. Muthiah, neither one relying on their MBEs for notability. NebY (talk) 15:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)- In response to the comment, it's important to clarify that while M. V. Narasimha Rao and S. Muthiah do not rely on their MBEs for notability, their achievements and contributions in other significant areas—such as sports and writing—elevate their prominence, with the MBE serving as an additional recognition of their impact. In the case of the individual under discussion, being the first South Indian to receive an MBE in the UK holds unique professional, and cultural significance. This milestone could be considered a notable achievement in itself, given its contribution to the UK healthcare especially organ donation and transplantation.
- The individual's distinction as the first South Indian recipient of this honor may highlight not only personal achievements but also wider societal progress, particularly in the context of Organ Donation awareness and the role played in the educational campaigns. Thus, while an MBE alone may not confer automatic notability, the social and healthcare context and pioneering nature of this honor for a particular community could be a valid factor in establishing the subject's notability for a Wikipedia entry. Shinomol (talk) 15:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see no evidence that Shibu Chacko was
the first South Indian recipient of this honor
. NebY (talk) 15:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)- You could rephrase this to first Malayalee if that claim is too broad. Shinomol (talk) 16:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see no evidence that Shibu Chacko was
the first Malayalee
. NebY (talk) 16:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)- Can you share any other malayalees names? Shinomol (talk) 16:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Right. You're making claims that you can't substantiate. I see no point in discussing this further. NebY (talk) 16:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I am also disinclined to continue this conversation with you. If you assert that Shibu Chacko is not the first Malayalee to receive the MBE honours, it is essential that you provide evidence to substantiate this claim, rather than diminishing my argument and avoiding further discussion. Shinomol (talk) 16:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Right. You're making claims that you can't substantiate. I see no point in discussing this further. NebY (talk) 16:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Can you share any other malayalees names? Shinomol (talk) 16:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see no evidence that Shibu Chacko was
- You could rephrase this to first Malayalee if that claim is too broad. Shinomol (talk) 16:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see no evidence that Shibu Chacko was
- Past consensus in AfD discussions has generally been that an MBE does not suffice for notability, although of course it also does not prevent notability. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 15:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that an MBE alone may not automatically meet the threshold for notability under Wikipedia guidelines. However, it is important to consider that while an MBE itself does not confer notability, it can be an indicator of broader achievements and public impact on healthcare outcomes, especially when coupled with significant contributions in other fields such as training, volunteering and organ donation campaigns. Thank you Shinomol (talk) 15:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominating someone for an MBE is not a very complex process at all - start here. One of our sources says he "will become the youngest Malayalee ever to receive an MBE (Most Excellent Order of the British Empire) from the Queen",[18] which is a long way from being
- Shinomol is a confirmed sock of Shibuchakson, who declared here to have a conflict of interest regarding the subject of this AfD. See WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Monophile. Badbluebus (talk) 17:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Shinomol is not acting for Mr Chacko nor a proxy for anyone. I know Mr Chacko professionally as a Organ Donation Coordinator in my role as a senior nurse in intensive care. I was fortunate to work with Mr Chacko while facilitating several organ doantion operations and attended the classes organised by him as well. You can verify my identity through nhs credentials if required. I am unable to share those here. Shinomol (talk) 17:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: He meets WP:BASIC He was awarded a MBE in the Queen's Birthday Honours list for the work he did with the promotion of organ donation among the minority communities in the UK, he being accorded the MBE recognition for his services within the NHS Trusts in the United Kingdom. He also has reliable coverages for verifiability some of which are 123456 Isha Sattar (talk) 01:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- User Isha Sattar only has 18 edits and previously !voted keep at the AfD of an article created by Monophile, the same sockpuppet of Zimidar that created Shibu Chacko. Just like Jxggii and Fayyazwill, their first edits on Wikipedia were related to redirect requests. Badbluebus (talk) 21:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Jason Parker (security researcher) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Autobiographical article, content is not substantiated by the sources and it does not seem possible to write more than a stub about the subject. The sources almost entirely briefly mention the subject in connection with a security vulnerability, some include short quotes from the subject, none seem to provide details on the subject themselves. Brandon (talk) 02:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Could you please provide more details about what isn't substantiated by the sources? The small handful of paragraphs without citations have information that's given in articles cited elsewhere. If you could point to any specifics, I would be happy to either show which article(s) it comes from, or if one of the more recent citations that discuss it have been missed, add them.
- In a lot of cases, the notability of a subject comes from their work, so I'm a bit confused how this would be different from many other articles on Wikipedia. Is this simply a categorization problem? In the public sector circles where this information travels, the name and works are quite well known; the number of high quality sources would also suggest this.
- As for your comment about it not being possible to write more than a stub, I have to disagree. There is a lot more detail about the works and their specific effects that could be added, but I didn't find it prudent for myself to add that. Additionally, WP:Stub suggests that some editors and the bot would find that 250, 300, or 500 words (this one is 650 as of this note) is an appropriate length to not be considered a stub.
- Having said all of that, I note your status on Wikipedia, and understand that there is little likelihood of this article staying. NorthAntara (talk) 03:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please ignore the admin icon, I'm just someone who used to spend too much time on Wikipedia and enjoys computer security. My AfD nominations end with the article being kept as often as anyone else.
- Being the primary author of an article about yourself is not recommended. You were extremely transparent, which is appreciated, it is just very challenging to write a neutral article based entirely on verifiable sources as the subject of the article yourself. With that said, here are some article about security researchers that have a tone and structure I'd suggest emulating: Tavis Ormandy, Eva Galperin, and Charlie Miller. Cutting inferences such as "leading to increased awareness and remediation of these issues" and the entire impact section would be the first edits I personally would make. Brandon (talk) 04:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Nedd Brockmann (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Contested redirect to List of people who have run across Australia, which is what it was originally created as. Sourcing present and via BEFORE does not establish notability for Brockmann as a businessman or athlete so bringing it here for discussion Star Mississippi 02:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Chelsea White (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG with no evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Demt1298 (talk) 01:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Neil Crompton (diplomat) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. The limited news hits this person gets are routine coverage and not WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 01:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Brussels International Festival of Eroticism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG due to not having any WP:SIGCOV. Only took placed for two years and doesn't not meet notability Demt1298 (talk) 01:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- List of world association football records (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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a jumbled mess of a list article, there is no clear criteria for what is included, and most of what is included is simply trivial information (most headed goals, most wins for a footballer, various random unproven goalscoring records). Any world records of actual merit already have their own articles (goals, appearances). All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I DON'T WANT THIS PAGE TO BE DELETED. IT IS A SACRILEGE.Juanan412 (talk) 13:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom, Category:Association football records and statistics is sufficient. GiantSnowman 18:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Important list and compiles football records in general, there is no good reason to delete it. --Mishary94 (talk) 13:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and trim anything unsourced or any tenuous "records" (e.g. most goals scored with one foot) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Surely all but about five of the records in the article can be described as tenuous? I mean, any non-trivial goals and appearance records already have their own articles, and any other record of note would have its own article owing to notability, but they don't. "Youngest footballer to play in first division", "Footballer to play more years uninterruptedly", "Player to win most international club titles", "Most unbeaten matches", "Manager who won most finals", "Club with the most top tier-level titles", "Competition with most clubs participated in total", etc etc etc etc etc. This is all trivia, and this is the vast majority of the article. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: We can modify some things but keeping the most important ones. --Juanan412 (talk) 15:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Are you still of the belief that "most left foot goals" is an important one? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – The indication is not based on policy since a list of records will contain some specific information inherent to those who are familiar with the sport. I also disagree that just the existence of a category would resolve the situation. The existing problems regarding the scope of records can and should be resolved together in WP:FOOTBALL (I am personally critical of adopting the IFFHS as the main reference), but a WP:TNT seems completely out of proportion. Svartner (talk) 01:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I didn't know about this article, however I feel it has more than enough validity, it's pretty much well sourced. There are some qualms with it and the criteria might need to be adjusted. But the nomination hasn't provided any policy other than this is trivia and this feels like a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT from the nominator. Govvy (talk) 20:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Flagon and Trencher (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, only mentions and brief descriptions (for example, on ProQuest). toweli (talk) 14:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Found some pieces that document the activity of the organization. Take a look [19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26]. Piscili (talk) 14:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Those don't provide significant coverage and/or aren't reliable sources. toweli (talk) 12:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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Indiscriminate mostly unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 12:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE and is consistent with similar decisions—I see no reason why so many exonym lists exist. Are any such articles notable? pluckyporo (talk • contribs) 09:41, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There is a definition of exonyms given by the UN that means that such lists are not indiscriminate, but instead pass WP:LISTCRITERIA. By all means cull items that should not be there (such as toponyms that are the mere result of orthographic rules in different languages). But such lists themselves are encyclopedic. As for appealing to recent rulings, what's actually happened is that there has been a huge bunch of individual nominations, some closed very quickly, without any notification placed on the page most people interested in the topic would see: Talk:Endonym and exonym. OsFish (talk) 08:21, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:LISTGLOSSARY provides that a list of words is encyclopedic only when the article provides an in-depth explanation for the significance of such a list (see, for example, List of English words containing Q not followed by U. I don't believe the list of Basque exonyms provides opportunity for such analysis. pluckyporo (talk • contribs) 04:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Trim: A few names in the list are evidently not cognate to the respective endonyms, and I'd preserve these. Otherwise, delete as trivial; each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography, okay, we get it. —Tamfang (talk) 23:55, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Kim Yu-song (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Speedy keep - The player is clearly notable. There are some significant coverage about him, such as this article from Choson Sinbo or this article from SPOTV. The player also finished as the top scorer of of the 2017 AFC Cup, which is the equivalent of UEFA Europa League in Asia.:Lâm (talk) 07:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm not sure whether these would satisfy WP:GNG to be honest. The first article is very brief and doesn't talk about the individual in any great detail. The second has two sentences about him having x number goals in the North Korean league.
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- My bad for the second source, I agree that the coverage about the player is too brief. However the first source from Choson Sinbo has a paywall, who always does very detailed coverage about North Korean players. Since there is minimal source for WP:V regarding this player, I think it's enough to establish notability since it's extremely difficult to find numerous coverages for North Korean players. Furthermore, the fact that he played in the 2019 AFC Asian Cup and winning the top scorer award in the AFC Cup makes him valid to pass WP:SPORTSPERSON. Lâm (talk) 08:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep - The player is clearly notable. There are some significant coverage about him, such as this article from Choson Sinbo or this article from SPOTV. The player also finished as the top scorer of of the 2017 AFC Cup, which is the equivalent of UEFA Europa League in Asia.:Lâm (talk) 07:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Very weak keep I believe there maybe some content there, but I really struggle to understand sources. But there appears there maybe one or two notable aspects about him that can pass WP:BASIC, my vote is a very weak keep know. Govvy (talk) 16:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Drafify - to give Thplam2004 the chance to improve the sourcing/article. GiantSnowman 19:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 04:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or draftify if Thplam2004 is interested. The top scorer of the 2017 AFC Cup, and would be the only one without an article. We need to remember that this is North Korea we're dealing with. The Choson Sinbo is probably good enough for sigcov (given that much of the article is paywalled) and SPOTV isn't bad ("Japan selected Kim Yu-song (4.25 Sports Team) ... as the players to watch out for the most in North Korea participating in the East Asian Cup ... The Japan Football Association introduced Kim Yu-song and An Byeong-jun as the most feared opponents from North Korea ahead of the 2017 East Asian Cup (EAFF E-1 Football Championship). Regarding Kim Yu-seong, ... 'He is a 22-year-old rookie who scored a hat-trick in the 2019 Asian Football Confederation (AFC) Asian Cup qualifier against Malaysia in October. He scored 8 goals in 2 games,' and [Japan] named him 'North Korea's ace' [and] as the player to watch out for ... Japan has identified players playing in the J-League and rookie Kim Yu-seong as targets of caution. All four players are key players in North Korea. Naturally, the four players mentioned above are also targets of caution for South Korea.") North Korean newspapers should be used with caution, but KCNA gives SIGCOV as well (see "The attacker who is considered a 'threat' to the opposing team's defense"). There's also some briefish coverage here and here. For a highly-accomplished North Korean footballer, this should be sufficient. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:09, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep – I've added the sources to the page, and he is mentioned a fair bit in coverage, but not much in-depth. Difficult to find coverage on most North Korean players, unfortunately. Zênite (talk) 16:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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Couldn't find any SIGCOV, and while prolific, doesn't seem to be particularly notable. Unsourced BLP. GraziePrego (talk) 01:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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The result was merge to List of battles in Rajasthan#18th Century. Sorry, I should have read this more carefully. Liz Read! Talk! 00:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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There is no need of this standalone article as it is an insignificant event in the History of Rajasthan. The content should be merged into List of battles in Rajasthan or any article related to Shekhawats. There has been duplication of efforts by editors to convert minor events from some big events into seperate article leading to creation of WP: REDUNDANTFORK. Admantine123 (talk) 01:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect/Merge to List_of_battles_in_Rajasthan#18th_Century seems like a good option.--Brocade River Poems (She/They) 21:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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As much as I think Harrison's writing about Wikipedia is insightful, I simply don't think he passes WP:NJOURNALIST. He's not really been the subject of significant coverage. I don't think interviews or reviews of his books in student newspapers (Student Life) are sigcov. The Fix interview might be significant coverage, but I am unfamiliar with the publication. 1A is a podcast interview, which I don't think counts for notability. The Salon, Slate and HuffPost links are just to his journalism and obviously don't count. The New America link is the description of an event that Harrison was participating in, and I don't think its sigcov either. The WashU entry is a "look what one of our alumni is up to" post and therefore it's not independent or sigcov. The Yahoo interview is part of the Yahoo for Creators program, which has an unclear level of editorial control from Yahoo itself, and may be published with little editorial oversight like WP:FORBESCON, but I'm not sure, and I think its status as significant coverage is questionable. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I don't find much beyond articles he's penned. Seems notable, but I don't find any sourcing we can use. Article now is mostly sourced to author profiles. Oaktree b (talk) 01:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: With the publication of The Editors, Harrison satisfies #3 under creative professionals. I also just added two more sources, including an ABC affiliate WFAA and NBC Bay Area. 1A (radio program) is not a podcast, it's a radio program. - Wil540 art (talk) 02:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- The Editors hasn't even received a proper book review by a professional outlet so I hardly see how it passes the part of #3 that says
such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews
. The book was notably also deleted when taken to AfD, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Editors (novel). I hardly see how being a guest on a radio or local television program is enough to pass GNG. Hemiauchenia (talk) 04:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- The Editors hasn't even received a proper book review by a professional outlet so I hardly see how it passes the part of #3 that says