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Draft:Ravi Modi - Need help (article is eligible or not)
[edit]Hi, I would like to get some clarity regarding the article Draft:Ravi Modi as it has been declined 5 times. The article was made live once and later it was removed from livespace to draftspace. Please check the history for content. The current version which is rejected is the full content version. The reason I am mentioning it here is because it was again guided by Live Chat as help. I get full support from Live Chat & they have done with fact-check as well for the Forbes article which was released in the print version as well. Request to check the article and suggest whether it is eligible to create an article or else I will drop the plan. This is my last resort. Read many Wiki pages, notability, perennial sources, etc. I am getting mixed reviews that's why not feeling well. -- VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 18:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @VKG1985, I read the Draft: Ravi Modi, and I have some thoughts. I typed in "Ravi Modi Vedant Fashions" in google and had a quick look. Ravi Modi seems to be somewhat notable. It does look like there is some coverage of him in reliable secondary sources. However, some of those sources look promotional. My advice, looking at the draft of the article and googling him, it is obvious Ravi Modi is notable for his success in business, therefore you should expand the section on his career. You can add more notable information and then reference the information with other reliable secondary sources. Make sure these sources do properly cover him though (see: WP:SIGCOV). MohReddy (talk) 20:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
WP Project Add/Remove on Hindutva-related articles
[edit]Hi Team, I added WP Discrimination and WP Terrorism project in Talk:Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, but, User:Rasnaboy has removed it citing there has been an discussion that took place last month in the Talk:Narendra Modi#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discrimination. Their I noticed @Abecedare: said that he is against removing these projects' templates systematically from all wikipedia article talkpages. @Rasnaboy has already removed wikiprojects (discrimination, terrorism, crime) from the some the articles which are mentioned in the talk page of Narendra Modi. My argument is there has been no consensus on removing these projects from all articles particularly related to BJP-RSS-Hindutva. But, @Rasnaboy has been systemically removed it from all these related to BJP-RSS-Hindutva. Moreover, article like Violence against Muslims in independent India, Violence against Christians in India, Hindu terrorism point out that right-wing Hindu organization who follow Hindutva / Hindu nationalist ideology are the main culprit against minorities in India. Shouldn't we go on a case by case basis rather than going all hog. Some of the WP projects are in active or semi-active status hence editors who are member of these projects can help do collaborative editing and contribute to these articles. WP Discrimination was in an inactive mode but now it is in semi-active mode. So editors who are members of these projects can contribute to these articles. And even if the project become inactive in future they might become active so new editors who become members of such project can contribute. And what is interesting is if you read the articles of organizations who follow the ideology of Hindutva / Hindu nationalism have commited some heinous crimes against minority communities in India and they're well sourced. I would like to know view from some of the experinced editors @Vanamonde93: @Doug Weller: @RegentsPark: @Fowler&fowler: @Valereee: @C.Fred: @S Marshall: @Girth Summit:. Thanks 2409:40E0:44:FEF6:C02D:6A0A:B8C4:D3EB (talk) 05:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Both of those WikiProjects are inactive. What's the benefit of adding them to this article's talk page?—S Marshall T/C 07:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @S Marshall: WP Discrimination Project is in semi-active status; earlier it was in inactive status. WP terrorism is inactive right now, but in the future it might be in active mode. WP Crime is a very active project. Point I'm making is that if WP projects are added, even if they remain inactive, semi-active, or active, editors who are members of such projects will be able to contribute to the respective articles, and if WP projects aren't added, then members won't be able to contribute to these articles. Today if some projects are inactive tomorrow they might be in active mode. New editors who have interest in these projects will contribute to these articles. Moreover, in the main article, the discriminatory action against the minority community is clearly mentioned, and they are well documented and well sourced. Hence, adding such WP projects won't be a waste; rather, it will be beneficial for such articles.--2409:40E0:55:459B:111D:B737:4409:CDA2 (talk) 13:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Are you adding those Wikiprojects to attract editors interested in improving the pages? Or are you adding them because you think that by listing Wikiproject:Terrorism, you are somehow tarnishing the image of the RSS? The latter isn't appropriate; the former seems to be a bit of a stretch. I personally could not care less which Wikiprojects are represented on the talk, but edit-warring over it is silly. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @S Marshall: WP Discrimination Project is in semi-active status; earlier it was in inactive status. WP terrorism is inactive right now, but in the future it might be in active mode. WP Crime is a very active project. Point I'm making is that if WP projects are added, even if they remain inactive, semi-active, or active, editors who are members of such projects will be able to contribute to the respective articles, and if WP projects aren't added, then members won't be able to contribute to these articles. Today if some projects are inactive tomorrow they might be in active mode. New editors who have interest in these projects will contribute to these articles. Moreover, in the main article, the discriminatory action against the minority community is clearly mentioned, and they are well documented and well sourced. Hence, adding such WP projects won't be a waste; rather, it will be beneficial for such articles.--2409:40E0:55:459B:111D:B737:4409:CDA2 (talk) 13:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I defer to the superior wisdom of all the others you have pinged. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Vanamonde93: How come adding WP projects can tarnish someone's image? It is an utterly ridiculous argument. The purpose of the WP project is where editors who are members of such projects would be able to contribute to the articles; their purpose is to add value. Moreover, I'm not adding anything unrelated projects, considering the article where heinous crime has been properly described, particularly where discrimanatory action and crime have been described. WP Discrimination and WP Crime can certainly be added; WP Terroism can be debatable. Thanks--2409:40E0:5F:620F:45E:A913:769F:E328 (talk) 06:14, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- If other editors aren't objecting to my proposal, then I will add WP Discrimination and WP Crime Project to the respective Hindutva-related articles. And in articles where right-wing Hindu organisations are involved in terrorist activities, then WP Terrorism, I will add. Sir you can also share your views. @Jimbo Wales:. Thanks & Regards--2409:40E0:1002:F56C:D5EF:D258:716F:AD97 (talk) 06:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think the IP user is missing the point regarding WikiProjects. Going by the logic of the IP user, they should also add, for example, WP-discrimination in several Indian parties articles such as Indian National Congress article (because we have well-sourced section on dynasticism), WP-corruption in Trinamool Congress, Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam Party and their members (we have sourced claims in these articles), WP-Terrorism in Tablighi Jamaat or Hamas, and so forth. Doing these is akin to adding WP-Hinduism in Narendra Modi article (see Talk:Narendra_Modi#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discrimination), again per the IP user there. While similar articles like Muslim nationalism in South Asia do not have WP-discrimination (or other WPs), and even the talk pages of articles like Hamas insist in using these terms with care/avoiding per policy, the IP user(s) appear to conveniently ignore these in Hindu nationalism-related articles. As User:Vanamonde hinted, that'd only appear as the ulterior intention of the editor to tarnish the image of the person/party/organization. It now appears like POV-pushing to me. Rasnaboy (talk) 05:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- If other editors aren't objecting to my proposal, then I will add WP Discrimination and WP Crime Project to the respective Hindutva-related articles. And in articles where right-wing Hindu organisations are involved in terrorist activities, then WP Terrorism, I will add. Sir you can also share your views. @Jimbo Wales:. Thanks & Regards--2409:40E0:1002:F56C:D5EF:D258:716F:AD97 (talk) 06:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Vanamonde93: How come adding WP projects can tarnish someone's image? It is an utterly ridiculous argument. The purpose of the WP project is where editors who are members of such projects would be able to contribute to the articles; their purpose is to add value. Moreover, I'm not adding anything unrelated projects, considering the article where heinous crime has been properly described, particularly where discrimanatory action and crime have been described. WP Discrimination and WP Crime can certainly be added; WP Terroism can be debatable. Thanks--2409:40E0:5F:620F:45E:A913:769F:E328 (talk) 06:14, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
@Rasnaboy: First of all, the WP-Corruption project is a dead project; forget being in an inactive status. So there is absolutely no point in adding a project; however, if you want to add a dead project, then go ahead. Secondly, in the Hamas article, the WP Crime and WP Terrorism Project has been added. Please check carefully. And dynasticism can't be called discrimination because in India most political parties are dynastic, including the BJP. Articles like Violence against Muslims in independent India, Violence against Christians in India, and Hindu terrorism point out that the right-wing Hindu organisations that follow Hindutva or Hindu nationalist ideology discriminate against the Muslims and Christians. There are countless academic sources that state that clearly. By the way, adding a WP project is not pushing POV; it is the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. I don't need to explain the purpose of the WP Project; I have already said it several times. Check Nazi Party article WP Discrimination is added, because it has systemically discriminated against the Jews that has been described in the main article, whereas in India BJP/RSS/Hindutva systemically discriminates against the Muslims and Christians. You're pushing a pro-Hindutva agenda in spite of knowing the real truth. Read the articles that I have mentioned over here. All academic sources point out that right-wing Hindu organisations that follow Hindutva/Hindu nationalism idealogy are real culprints against the minority community in India. Having said that, don't get confused by the real Hindu organisations like Ramakrishna Mission or International Society for Krishna Consciousness or Yogoda Satsanga Society of India or Sri Aurobindo Ashram. These organisations have done extraordinary service; they don't promote hatred against minority communities, i.e., Muslims or Christians. Some of the activities of ISCKON have attracted criticism, which has been mentioned on their website, but they don't directly propagate hate against the minority community, whether it is Christians or Muslims. Thanks--2409:40E0:1029:9571:45D6:F543:984D:272D (talk) 12:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Are you for adding WP-discrimination in analogous articles like Muslim nationalism in South Asia? It's not just about that article but all the related articles. The Hamas page is just for citing the policy. WP-Terrorism should be added in articles like Hindu Terrorism or Tablighi Jamaat but not in others. Please do not add without reaching consensus with other editors on the talk page or at the discussion at Talk:Narendra_Modi#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discrimination. Thanks. Rasnaboy (talk) 03:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're bringing irrelevent topics in between. Don't digress from the main issues, we're discussing about BJP/RSS/Hindutva and their discriminatory ideology and crimes some of the right-wing Hindu organizations have done. Don't try to push your pro-Hindutva agenda / narrative over here. Thanks--2409:40E0:E:9754:1CC8:CEEB:637F:99F9 (talk) 13:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dear IP user. As you can see, we're only discussing and no one agreed yet. Please stop adding without consensus. First obtain consensus as to what to add and what not to add for every nationalism-related article (not just Hindu nationalism). It's ironic to see your logic to add "Discrimination" WP in articles is itself discriminatory. Rasnaboy (talk) 01:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're bringing irrelevent topics in between. Don't digress from the main issues, we're discussing about BJP/RSS/Hindutva and their discriminatory ideology and crimes some of the right-wing Hindu organizations have done. Don't try to push your pro-Hindutva agenda / narrative over here. Thanks--2409:40E0:E:9754:1CC8:CEEB:637F:99F9 (talk) 13:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident - photo and name of the victim on the article
[edit]Hello, there's an ongoing [rfc|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2024_Kolkata_rape_and_murder_incident#RfC:_Name_of_victim] at 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident about if the victim's name should be included. Your participation there would be helpful and appreciated. the article on 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident states the name of the victim and the puts up the photo of the victim. As you may know the Indian law is clear on the issue that indetifying information of sexual crime victims and survisors cannot be published. I tried to explain that to the editors but they have come back with WP:Notcensored, I tried explaining that noncensored does not mean that we will actively go against the law, we need to weigh in the benefits and the potenatial harm and reach a consensus through meaningful discussions etc. There is a RFC going on at [1] may I request you to please weigh in. Legaleagle86 (talk) 10:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- When you're asking for outside input, please leave a neutral message inviting them to the discussion. This is not neutral and violates WP:CANVASS. Ravensfire (talk) 13:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Please let me know which part of my post violates neutrality. I have explained my position and have asked for the editors' views. I did not ask them to vote in favour of one side or the other. 16:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC) Legaleagle86 (talk) 16:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- And you presented it with your view being pushed. That's not neutral. Simple as that. Read WP:CANVASS. What should have been done is something like "There's a discussion at 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident about if the victim's name should be included. Your participation there would be helpful and appreciated." And stop. That's neutral - your aren't presenting your arguements at all which is what you did. Short post, here's what the topic is, here's where it is, ask for participation. Done. Ravensfire (talk) 18:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Please let me know which part of my post violates neutrality. I have explained my position and have asked for the editors' views. I did not ask them to vote in favour of one side or the other. 16:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC) Legaleagle86 (talk) 16:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Port Blair
[edit]The official name of Port Blair recently been changed to Sri Vijayapuram. As usual, we have IDs and IPs changing the common name in various articles (I got to know from Andaman and Nicobar Islands), including two attempts at moving it to Sri Vijayapuram (and another iteration), both of which I reverted citing WP:RMUM, undiscussed unilateral moves. Hoping, people here will keep a tab at it. Pinging @Arjayay, Gotitbro, Ekdalian, Kautilya3, Ravensfire, and GrabUp: among other. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Another Allahabad problem surfaces. If the powers that be have a go at Renaming of cities in India#Proposed changes be ready for a regular occurence. Gotitbro (talk) 13:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Facepalm Exactly Gotitbro. Also people, see [2]. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Remind the editors about WP:NAMECHANGE, expecially "When this occurs, we give extra weight to independent, reliable, English-language sources ("reliable sources" for short) written after the name change." and ask them to help show that this has been done. Clearly local media would be doing this, but also India-wide and international media as well. Ravensfire (talk) 15:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
You must be joking, right?TrangaBellam (talk) 14:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Port Blair#Requested move 13 September 2024
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Port Blair#Requested move 13 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Removal of content by W170924
[edit]W170924 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Could someone with time investigate the removals by the user? I don't think they're warranted, atleast one of them — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 08:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- They don't seem like a new user to me. Ratnahastin (talk) 08:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- ...probably should be reworded per sources — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 08:35, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Please give them any appropriate warnings. That will help. Doug Weller talk 09:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Sheikh Hasina, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Gotitbro (talk) 13:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)